Robert I Count of Lomme, 981

Name
Robert I /Count of Lomme/
Surname
van NAMEN
Name
Robert, Comte de Namur
Birth of a sonAlbert I Count of Namur
about 950

Death before 981

Note

ROBERT [I] ([920/25]-before 981). Robert succeeded as Comte de Namur, maybe as direct successor to Berengar as no documentary record has been found of another intervening count in the area, although this is not certain. The earliest reference to Robert is the charter dated 2 Jun 946 under which "Rotbertus comes" donated the villa of Melin "in comitatu meo" to the abbey of Waulsort[13]. According to Europ?ische Stammtafeln[14], Robert was the son of Berengar. However, the only evidence so far identified that Robert may have been a descendant of Berengar is provided by the Vita Gerardi Abbatis Broniense which records that "comes Berengarius Nammucensi castro pr?sidebat" commenting that "cuius stirpis posteritas ibidem hactenus perstat"[15]. This convoluted reference suggests that the relationship may have been less direct than father/son: maybe Robert was Berengar's grandson, the son of Berengar's daughter. This appears to be corroborated by the chronology of the births in the family. If Giselbert, son of Robert [I], was born in [955/60], it is unlikely that his father was born before [920/25] at the earliest, bearing in mind that he was presumably an adult at the time of the 946 charter. Assuming that the birth date range of Berengar is correct as shown above, Robert would most likely have been born earlier than this if he had been Berengar's son. The fact that Robert named his second son Giselbert also suggests a family connection with Berengar, whose wife was the sister of Giselbert Duke of Lotharingia, although it is somewhat surprising that the name Berengar itself is not repeated among Robert's descendants. Another indication of Robert's family background is provided by the Gesta Abbatum Gemblacensium which names "Rotbertus???comes Namucensis" as the most powerful of the "c?teri fratres et nepotes pii patris nostri [Wicperti]", while recording that he oppressed the abbey of Gembloux[16]. If this is correct, Robert's maternal grandmother was Osburga, whose first husband was St Wicbert's father (see Chapter 5.A). "Otto???rex" granted property "quod Ymmo in villa Castra et in pago Darnegouue ac in comitatu Rotberti comitis" to "fideli nostro Tietboldo" by charter dated 11 Jun 958[17]. Flodoard's Annals record that in 960 "Rotbertus", enemy of Bruno Archbishop of K?ln (son of Henrich I King of Germany), fortified "Namuurum castrum" against the archbishop[18]. "Rotbertus comes" subscribed a charter dated 961 under which Erluin abb? of Gembloux exchanged property[19]. The Gesta Abbatum Lobiensium names "comite Roberto" and records that "Ratherius" died "apud Namurcum"[20], an event dated elsewhere to 974. m ---. Thierry Stasser suggests that the wife of Robert [I] Comte de Namur may have been [Liutgarde], daughter of Adalbert Graf [von Metz], emphasising that this is purely speculative based only on onomastics[21]. Comte Robert [I] & his wife had [five] children: a) ALBERT (-shortly before 1011). Albert, Gislebert and Ratbod are named as sons of Comte Robert in a charter dated 981[22]. He succeeded as ALBERT I Comte de Namur. - see below. b) GISELBERT ([955/60]-). The Gesta Abbatum Lobiensium records that "Gislabertus, ex quatuor comitis Roberti filiis unus" accompanied "Mathildem comitissam" to the abbey of Lobbes[23]. This event is not dated but is recorded in the Gesta several paragraphs after an event dated to 974. His birth date range is estimated on the assumption that Giselbert was a young adult when he visited Lobbes, dated some time between 975 and 980. Albert, Gislebert and Ratbod are named as sons of Comte Robert in a charter dated 981[24]. c) RATBOD [Robert] . Albert, Gislebert and Ratbod are named as sons of Comte Robert in a charter dated 981[25]. d) son (-[before 981]). As the Gesta Abbatum Lobiensium records "Gislabertus, ex quatuor comitis Roberti filiis unus"[26], it is known that Comte Robert had a fourth son but no further information relating to him has been found. He presumably died before 981 as he is not named with his brothers in the charter of that date. e) [LIUTGARDE . Vanderkindere suggests that the wife of Arnoul [II] Comte de Cambrai may have been the daughter of Robert [I] Comte de Namur, both because the couple's son was named Albert and also because Liutgarde held property at Hanret in Darnau pagus which was divided between Namur and Brabant[27]. No other information has been identified from which any alternative ancestry can be deduced for Liutgarde. Liutgarde possessed the alleu de Hanret, Hesbaye[28]. "Arnulfus comes Valencencianensis et uxor eius Liutgardis cum filio suo Adalberto" donated property to Saint-Pierre-au-Mont-Blandin at Gent by charter dated 994[29]. m ARNOUL [II] Comte de Cambrai, son of ARNOUL [I] Comte de Cambrai & his wife Berta --- (-23 Oct 1012).] http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAMUR.htm#AlbertIdied1011B geb. ca. 925, ovl. ca. 981, graaf van Lomme en Namen, tr. ca. 945, ERMENGARDE VAN LOTHARINGEN, geb. ca. 930, ovl. ca. 981. Uit dit huwelijka. a. Ermengard van Namen, geb. ca. 945, ovl. ca. 1010. b. Albert I van Namen, geb. ca. 950 ovl kort voor 1011, http://www.nikhef.nl/~louk/LKW/generation32.html#3712235656) Robert I, Graaf in een deel van de LOMMEGOUW. 12317853321. Ermengard VAN VERDUN. Uit dit huwelijk: Albert I, Graaf van Namen, zie nr. 6158926660. Vermeld vanaf 981. http://www.brouwertree.com/geer29.html#384932916